Essentia: Rise & Thrive Featuring Dr. Mark Hyman

The first episode of Essentia: Rise & Thrive the podcast saw Jack Dell'Accio, Essentia CEO & Founder, and our moderator Whitney Lauritsen host Dr. Mark Hyman for a conversation about stimulants that affect our sleep, including food stimulants! 

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Whitney: [00:00:00] This is a new series that Essentia has started and I'm thrilled to be part of it. Well, we'll give you the whole run-through once we officially begin today and Jackie might need to ping in Dr. Hyman. Now that it's the hour mark, I don't know if he'll automatically join.

And if anyone else knows someone who would benefit from coming to the room today, please feel free to ping them in. We'd love to have a lively conversation given that this is going to be very interactive and you'll have a chance to ask your own questions as well.

[00:00:48] Whitney: [00:00:48] Hi, Dr. Hyman, we are going to make you a moderator and kick things off. Now that it's officially 11:00 AM. Are you ready to go? I'm ready. All right. I'm excited about this and hello to everyone. Welcome to rise and thrive. This is a series where we explore some of the biggest topics and wellness and how they affect our sleep so that you can learn to wake up every day, feeling rested, recharged, and ready the, for anything, which sounds great to me.

[00:01:20] I'm Whitney. Lauritsen the moderator, and I'm joined by Jack, the CEO and founder of Essentia natural memory foam. And our special guest today is Dr. Mark Hyman, a practicing family physician, and an internationally recognized leader, speaker, educator, and advocate in the field of functional medicine. We're recording the podcast on clubhouse today to have a live discussion about how stimulants impact sleep to help you understand how to rest well and restore the energy you need.

[00:01:54] Take on the world. I love that. It's so such an important subject matter if you're live with us on clubhouse, you'll have the chance a little bit later to come up on stage to ask questions to Dr. Hyman and any of us up here, and we encourage you to visit my essential.com/podcast. To get more information about this broadcast.

[00:02:13] I've put that in my bio. If you want to check that out. And before we get into the subject matter today, I'd love to give Jack a chance to speak a little bit about what inspired the Essentia rise and thrive audio project that we're doing and why he invited Dr. Hyman to kick off the very first episode.

[00:02:30]Jack: [00:02:30] Awesome. Thanks. Thanks Whitney. Mark, thank you for joining us who really, really glad to have you here. The series that we're launching today was really part of what we'd like to do is, is we give back in so many ways and here trying to offer up some of the knowledge that we've gained over the years.

[00:02:48]You know, pioneering sleep wellness with material science, but, you know, while we focus on material, really, we will learn so much by wellness leaders and we either that we've worked with or who has inspired us over the years and, and mark you're one of those guys and it's great that you're the first guest on this short series and allowing us to start strong and we really appreciate you and are so grateful that you're joining us today.

[00:03:15] Dr. Hyman: [00:03:15] Well, I'm super thrilled to be part of this. I have to say that, you know, sleep is one of the most important things in neglected things in our culture. And getting asleep straight is so important and personally key to my sleep and I've I to seen challenges. So we can talk about that. Has been the essential mattress, like, honestly, it's like the, I bought like three of them.

[00:03:35] Cause they're so good. And I just think it's getting, getting, getting a good night's sleep is so key and you know, honestly, like I love to travel and I'm traveling now and other country and it's like, I was like, where's my dad, where's my, like, I want to go home. I just want to go home. 

[00:03:56] Whitney: [00:03:56] I feel the same way.

[00:03:57] I don't travel without one of my essential pillows. I have a travel pillow and a few others, a regular sized pillows that I bring with me and Mac Jack. Isn't it true that there's essential beds in some hotels now. So you could actually choose a hotel based on the mattress. 

[00:04:14] Jack: [00:04:14] Well, I don't know if you could choose your travel according to that, but we're, we're in a whole bunch of properties from oddly enough.

[00:04:21]We're very well set up in Vegas. So all the MGM properties from Bellagio, MGM grand, you know, aria they've, they've all got special, healthy travel rooms with, with a central feature in it. But we've got some all around the country in different spots. I don't know if you can make your travel plans according to a central hotels just yet, but there are some spots and but the you know, mark gets through the years when you've been buying that, you know, we've been following you for years and, and every time you either walk into our store or contact our people, I'd always get the call.

[00:04:54] Well, Dr. Mark, Hyman's buying a bed. So as much as you're excited to buy the product, we were always pleased that we actually got to reach out to you. And that, that resonated that our product was worked well for you personally 

[00:05:07] Dr. Hyman: [00:05:07] as well. Well, it's, I mean, it's, it's so funny. It's so funny because when we were in, in other than New York and I got apartment New York and I had to get a mattress.

[00:05:15] And so we literally, like, we ran into the essentia store and there's not that many of them. We ran around like maniacs. Like within five minutes, I think I want to explain everything and I'm like, no, no, no. I wanted this one to send them.

[00:05:31] Whitney: [00:05:31] funny.

[00:05:32] Yeah. That's the danger of going into those stores? Every time I do, I end up leaving with another Essentia. My current obsession is the body pillow because when I went into a store a couple of years ago, I laid on it and I, it, I couldn't get up. It was too comfortable. So now I work on there sometimes.

[00:05:50] It's just been a game changer, Jack, actually you call it the the replacer. Is that what it's called or the replacement? What's the nickname for that pillow? 

[00:05:59] Jack: [00:05:59] I mean, it, it's a giant body below. I mean, so it really, it replaces your partner. So we've had some, you know, some people who have feedback saying that it was a step up as far as the partner. 

[00:06:17] Whitney: [00:06:17] well, I'm really excited to kick things off and talk about how to stop making up for lack of sleep by filling up with stimulants, which is something that I think a number of us doing, maybe even if we're not recognizing it.

[00:06:31] And I actually put out a query on Instagram yesterday to see what questions people had about sleep. And I was overwhelmed with the response because it seems like most people struggle with sleep. Have you found that to be true?

[00:06:58] Whitney: [00:06:58]Do you find that most people have trouble with sleep or is there, are there percentages because it seems like everyone I talk to is struggling. Is that true.

[00:07:12] Dr. Hyman: [00:07:12] You know, it's yeah. I mean, it's estimated that there's 70 million Americans with sleep problems. And that's really a concern for people because that's a lot of people and, and it's probably more, I mean, you look at people who don't sleep enough, don't have adequate sleep. People's quality of sleep is core and sleep really determines the quality of your life.

[00:07:40] If you're, if you're not sleeping, your focus, your attention, your mood, your energy, your ability to do what you want to do in life is dramatically impaired. 

[00:07:51] Whitney: [00:07:51] Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I think there's a big issue with circadian rhythms and how that's disrupting anything from our immune health and bigger diseases, mental health challenges.

[00:08:05] So I'm curious, how do you define a stimulant and what exactly falls into the stimulant category? Cause I think there's the obvious ones like caffeine, but what else is maybe not so obvious about stimulant? 

[00:08:20] Dr. Hyman: [00:08:20] Yeah, I mean, I think obviously I, coffee's the number one problem. And there, and there are, are people who do fine with coffee.

[00:08:28] They can have a glass of ice coffee or espresso before they go to bed and just go right to sleep. And a lot of it has to do with your genetics and your enzymes. That metabolize caffeine. So if you have good metabolizing enzymes, then you're going to be okay and you might not affect your sleep. But if like, I know some people can have coffee after noon, or if you have more than one cup or even one, couple of people just spinning.

[00:08:52] So I think it's important to just pay attention to what your body does. There's also genetic tests. You can look for for caffeine sensitivity, there's also green tea and other caffeine that we get there, your promo potatoes, all kinds of stuff that people are using for stimulants and caffeine. It can be quite disruptive to sleep even in low doses.

[00:09:11] So that's always something to worry about. I think the other stimulant that we have is, is In our digital universe. And, and that has been a huge disruptive sleep because I mean, I, I'm just amazed at how many people sleep with their phone in their bed. It's like a, it's like their best friend. And they're often when they don't and they don't put it on airplane mode, they just sort of let it go all night and they'll take texts and calls and just be very disruptive.

[00:09:36] Most people don't do that, but they do, but they do use screens before bed. And when you're using screens before bed, if you're not using blue blocker glasses or screen filters or other devices, you're going to be shutting down your melatonin production, which is the main hormone in your brain that determines the onset of sleep.

[00:09:54] So normally, you know, in the morning you wake up and the best thing to do is to get bright sunshine, sunlight without sunglasses for 20 minutes, and take a walk outside some of your porch, whatever. That helps to increase the stimulation of the pineal glands normal circadian rhythm resets, your adrenals, resets, your hormones in a way that allows you to sort of, you know, get ready for the day.

[00:10:18] And then at night you know, you need to shut down all the lights. I mean, honestly we all, you know, had candles or, you know, nothing. We would just go to bed with the sun. And now we're all up with bright lights at night, really disruptive blue light that, that shuts off melatonin production. So a lot of people are really serious issues with inadequate melatonin production because of all the digital devices being on their phone in bed, you know, on a computer, working at night, doing emails, whatever it is.

[00:10:44] I think that's one of the worst. I think the other, the other stimulant, and this is the one that I find very disturbing is the news. I mean, it's just, it's just bad news all the time. Like where's the good news channel. No worries. No, where's, GNM the good news network just, I want to see.

[00:11:08] And I, you know, you think the world is falling apart is terrible and there's a lot of problems and crises and there's all kinds of disruptions, but it's just the same old bad news report over and over war disease, death, you know, like violence, political strike. I mean, yeah. We should be aware and pay attention, all that, but th but it's easy to become addicted to that.

[00:11:30] And and to have it on all the time in the stimulus, I think TB is another big stimulant that we have to address. A lot of people are really. Hooked on TV and people binge on Netflix. So, you know, you have, like, you don't have to wait a week to get the show. You can watch like three seasons in one night.

[00:11:45] So that, that often really disturbs people as well. And I think that, you know stress is a stimulant in a way, any kind of stressful environment, whether it's a relationship, stress, work, stress, family, stress, money, stress, that, that, that is know increases cortisol and catecholomines, which are stimulants.

[00:12:05] So, you know, epinephrin yeah. The norepinephrine are though to recall calm adrenaline, you know, adrenaline and the, that gets produced in the state of response to stress and that really disrupts sleep. So I think, I mean, right, you don't want to be sleeping when you're running from a saber tooth tiger. You want to be like, mean really fast.

[00:12:25] So it's going to prevent you from sleeping. And, and, and as we age, we, the other thing that happens, we lose muscle and we, our diet becomes more carbohydrate rich, and that, and that also drives cortisol production and increases. The, you know, the cortisol levels as well as decreasing growth hormone production, which, which means you can't say is high cortisol, high and growth from on low, you know, stupid talk.

[00:12:50] One of the most potent drugs when nothing else works for people is what's known as GHB also known as a date rape drug. It's marketed something called Xyrem. Yeah. It's a drug that increases growth hormone and it helped people sleep and nothing else does. But most of them do in impairs the function of our hormones and growth hormone.

[00:13:10] So sugar is another, 2 billion, tons of sugar. And that's very disruptive to sleep. Sugar will also increase cortisol catecholomines and it often will disrupt sleep by even causing hypoglycemia the middle of night, and people can get hot flashes night sweats. And that often is because a big swings and sugar.

[00:13:29]And you know, exercise is great, but not late if your exercise late at night and you're going to, you know, get into trouble falling asleep. And there are, there, there are many I could keep going. I don't want to take over the whole conversation. 

[00:13:46] Jack: [00:13:46] Well, it's interesting. A lot of the things that you've been talking about, I work with.

[00:13:50] Pro athletes and, they kind of have it all combined. They've got all of these issues. They overexercise, they have stress, they have anxiety just to perform. And many of them have a lot of issues when it comes to sleeping and just winding down. And it's a big thing that we've talked through with different guys and guys and girls, and w what was really interesting is, and I wanted to ask you is what is it about unnatural sleep that keeps the body kind of unconsciously active?

[00:14:23] You know, a little background on this, is that in the review of athletes and their sleep performance, I noted that when they use narcotics as sleep aids like keeping them asleep through the night, their brain activity is actually much more active. With less REM and less, less leap sleep cycles. And that's why, I guess if you wake up feeling groggy after you're using some, some supplements that way like what, what is happening to the body that it's not you know, not as deep asleep as a proper nutrition sleep and proper food and things like 

[00:14:56] Dr. Hyman: [00:14:56] Jack you're talking about in products, you mean sleep aid, like not just, not just things like morphine or Oxycontin or those kinds of drugs, you mean things like the NBN.

[00:15:09] Jack: [00:15:09] Right, any of those drugs.

[00:15:12] Dr. Hyman: [00:15:12] So sleep aids can often be helpful for people to break the cycle, you know, for travel sometimes for, you know, different, different kinds of You know a disruptive environment, let's say, but as a daily ritual, you know, people get hooked on sleep aids and there are different ones that have different problems.

[00:15:31] So you know, pain medicine, like narcotics will definitely cause sleep apnea. It can suppress respirations and it can, it can affect sleep quality. A lot of things like, you know, Ambien or Lunesta or the other drugs like Adavan or Xanax or, or Sonata is drugs. They all, they all work to some degree, but, but they become addictive.

[00:15:56] They tend to work less. And they're really designed for short-term solutions. So if you have sleep issues and I've had them it's really important to figure out what the root cause is. And there can be many things that are the root causes of sleep. And you're like, for example, mine was mercury poisoning.

[00:16:10] I had mercury in my system that was living in China and being quite hell and, and that, that the known opposite insomnia now, most people check. But it's important to look at your microbiome can be a factor, your, your levels of magnesium, your, your, your, your thyroid levels, all these things sleep.

[00:16:31] So it's important to do a thorough evaluation, but you can't just assume that, you know, giving people these drugs time is to be a good idea of the best solution. And it really is. I think quite, quite problematic. And what will affect their overall wellbeing and health for longterm? 

[00:16:52] Whitney: [00:16:52] Yeah. And one of the things that comes up along the subject matter is, is a lot of people seem to have trouble falling asleep and staying asleep, or they get up in the middle of the night and they can't fall back asleep and they just want to get through the night without waking up.

[00:17:06] So if, like all these medications are kind of promising and that they'll be able to finally sleep through the night, are you saying that it's not really worth taking them? And is there something that they can do instead during those nights where, you know, they're up for a couple hours and they can't pull back.

[00:17:24] Dr. Hyman: [00:17:24] Yeah, for sure. I mean, not being asleep is a horrible thing. So, you know, there's a lot of work being done around, sleep down, understanding, sleep and its architecture and stages. And what disrupts sleep would enhance sleep. All are becoming really, really backed by a lot of good science. And it's going to Dr.

[00:17:40] Mackey walkers and a lot about it. He's a great guy. And he wrote a book about why sleep matters. There's a lot of books on sleep that ever the number of blogs looking at one of the root causes because that's from a functional medicine perspective, what I'm most interested in and how do we begin to sort of help design and structure a life that supports health and support sleep.

[00:18:02] Right. So, you know, I just started my patients. They have sleep problems. You have to, you know, get up at the same time every day and go to bed at the same time every day. Ideally, go to bed before today. Because your best sleep is generally earlier in the night for deep sleep. Make sure your, your environment, your sleep hygiene is great.

[00:18:22] So that means your room should be pitch black. You should get blackout shades. You know, if you're living in Northern place, I never traveled without shades and earplugs. I never know I'm going to make sure the room temperature is good. Now, if you're that typical couple or one's hot and one's cold, what's the solution.

[00:18:40] Well, now there's this wonderful thing. It's called chili pads and different chili blankets and things I found very helpful, but you can cool your side of the bed. It's when it's lower. Often I buy my best sleeps when I like go to sleep and I'll sleep for 10, 12 hours when I go camping and I'm like, I'm like winter camping and it's 40 degrees and that can be really valuable.

[00:19:10]Also encourage people to practice, sleep ritual before bed. So I'm get off of screens at least an hour or two before bed, if not more use blue blocker, black glasses, turn off all the incandescent lights, news, you know, lights that have different filters for, for blue light or wear the glasses and just keep the lights low at night and don't get on screens and watch TV before bed and make sure your, your bedroom is.

[00:19:37] Basically sex and sleep because if you're working in bed and you're a social with other things, you're going to be kind of activated all. These are just really simple tips. Taking a hot bath with Epsom salt can be really helpful before bed. I've heard people talking about hanging an ice bath before bed.

[00:19:53] And I was like, wow, this is like fun. I heard a couple of people really thinking it was a game changer for them. I don't have a bath so I'm gonna try it when I get one. And, and then you also need to think about you know, emptying your mind if your mind is like, I do this every night. I try to empty my mind and I write down all the things that are on my mind, so I can just sort of lay, let, go for the day and, and, and rest.

[00:20:17]I think. There are supplements that can be very helpful. Often people are really low in magnesium, about 45% of the population deficient and, and extra magnesium can be very helpful, making sure that, you know, if you're struggling, you might need a little metal to Tonin. You might need to try some herbs that can be very helpful, the real area and, and passion flower, and you know Magnolia, there's a lot of herbs that can be very helpful for sleep.

[00:20:46] Also variable are finding CBD very helpful for sleep, which is an active component of marijuana, which is the CBD instead of THC. Okay.

[00:20:58] So working with my patients that come up with what the, what the strategies are. And on top of that, I look for the causes. Are they hypoglycemic? Do they have menopause? Is their thyroid low? Do they have mercury poisoning? Do they have some form of depression that's causing sleep disruption and what is the root cause of their depression and their sleep disruption?

[00:21:18] And that's really important to figure out. Cause if you don't, you're just going to be putting a bandaid on that problem without solving it. 

[00:21:26] Whitney: [00:21:26] Yes. And on that note, since there's a lot of different things that you can try and experiment with, what are, what's your take on all these different sleep trackers that are out there?

[00:21:35] There's like bands, watches, there's rings now are, are, are those helpful? I try, 

[00:21:42] Dr. Hyman: [00:21:42] I tried them all and you know, they can be pretty accurate. Something like even ordering is probably one of the most. And I think that there are other devices like, you know, apple watch will track your sleep and there's devices that you get to put by your bed to track your sleep.

[00:22:04] Fitbit checked your sleep. If you use all of at once, you're on, you're going to get like a lot of kind of variation in the readings, but you get a general ballpark of where you're, where you're at. So I could tell I'm snoring. There's one that picks up snoring. I can tell how many times they get up. I can tell, well, my heart rate variability is in my resting heart rate.

[00:22:22] And then also how much deep sleep I had REM sleep. And how long it took me to fall asleep. So those, I think those are helpful for you to understand what their sleep architecture is, but long-term, I think they can be kind of distracting and obsessive. So while I did use them for a while, I kind of stopped and I felt my sleep got better when I stopped.

[00:22:42] I'm just maybe me, but I don't know. 

[00:22:44] Whitney: [00:22:44] Well, that's fascinating. I was thinking about getting the Oura ring, but maybe I'll hold on while I like, 

[00:22:49] Dr. Hyman: [00:22:49] I like it. I like it. I love it. I like, I, the only thing, I don't think anything bad about it. I think it's great. I think it's super instructive, but like once you learn what's going on, then, you know, oh, so for example, I learned that if I drink alcohol that I will, my heart rate variability will suck it and my sleep will suck.

[00:23:08]And so I'm like, oh, I don't want to drink alcohol and sleep is more important to me than just. And I think that's really, you know, that was an insight I had or that, you know, my you know, depending on what, what I was doing that day, I could kind of tag the things that were screwing up my sleep. 

[00:23:26] Jack: [00:23:26] I, I like to try different things.

[00:23:28] I've been trying, obviously the melatonin supplements, I've tried the CBD oil in and they, they, they kind of do work to make you feel arrested, but what's impacted me the most. And I don't really have sleep issues, but I have noticed that I've started intermittent fasting. 

[00:23:44] Dr. Hyman: [00:23:44] Did you have an essentia mattress?

[00:23:46] Jack: [00:23:46] Exactly. That's why I don't have a real sleep issue, but I did notice a change that when I started intermittent fasting, that I would fall asleep sooner. So obviously nutrition has as a big, a big part in, in how we sleep at night as well. I just thought it was interesting that, you know, I, I didn't, I wasn't intermittent fasting specifically for us.

[00:24:08] But I did notice that I get shut out much sooner when I go to bed. And I think that that's definitely always a good 

[00:24:13] Dr. Hyman: [00:24:13] thing if you fall asleep faster. 

[00:24:17] Jack: [00:24:17] Yep. 

[00:24:19] Whitney: [00:24:19] Yeah, this is it, it's all a big experiment. It sounds like. And I think my big takeaway is that the, the tracking can be helpful, but consulting with a doctor sounds like a really good route because there could be a lot of underlying issues here.

[00:24:33] And Jack, I know you have another question that I wanted to give a heads up to the audience that we're going to turn on the hand-raising feature soon and bring some people up to ask some more questions. Jack, did you want to ask one more question before we do? 

[00:24:47]Jack: [00:24:47] Really? I mean, it's, it seems obvious in a sense, but I know that there's a huge relationship between sleep and weight.

[00:24:56] And you know, I, you know, what's your thoughts on that? Cause they know it's a vicious circle. If you don't get good sleep, you know, the binge eating, you end up eating more carbs and all that. And it's so, I mean, how do people cut that off too, to try to have that balance it's I think it's a big challenge for a lot of people.

[00:25:15] Dr. Hyman: [00:25:15] It re it really, it really is. I think, you know, the sleeping way relates to it in many ways. One if you're overweight, it can affect your sleep because you'll be at a higher risk for sleep apnea. You might have more sort of insulin resistance and get disruptions in cortisol and insulin at the night time and blood sugar looking to have sharper sleep.

[00:25:38]But conversely lack of sleep will cause awaking. So how does that work? Well, one of the most, there were bars where they took college kids who were basically healthy kids. And then. Gave them sort of a healthy one group of sort of a healthy diet sorry, you know, both to basically help you die and they want to eat this stuff.

[00:26:01] And then like, okay, we're going to deprive one group of sleep and the other group not, and, and the group that got deprived of sleep and stuff like six hours instead of eight or five hours, whatever, what they found was that their hormones were different during the day. So they were craving more carbohydrates and more sugar.

[00:26:18] And I know this from a personal experience. Cause when I was, you know, I used to be an emergency room doctor delivered a lot of babies, like 500 babies over my lifetime and you know, you're not as leaving and you're up all night and you're working the next day. You're in the ER, working late at night at two in the morning.

[00:26:33] All you want is sugar and carbs. Muffins, bagels, you know, candy, like whatever, like ice cream. I really was doing what I'm doing now, like 30 years ago. And I was in the ER, I would literally have before I go to my night shift, I would have a quadruple espresso, a half a pint of ice cream and a giant chocolate chip cookie.

[00:27:00] And I would go to work. Can we shoot for about 11 at night, five in the morning? It was not good for sleep. I mean, it was great for not falling asleep on my patients, but I think it's so important for people to understand that sleep will hugely impact your weight. And I think the circadian rhythm, you know is so important as mentioned earlier, is so critical.

[00:27:26] Concept for people because we are biological organisms. We have cycles, we have rhythms, we have chronobiology, which is literally the function of different organs at different times. And even chronotherapy for cancer. In other words, different chemo drugs will work better at different times of the day, depending on the organ and the patient, the activity, which is fascinating to me, which is an old sort of ancient Vedic kind of concept.

[00:27:50] But they're using it in medicine. Now you can just Google chronobiology and learn about it, but it's, it's so important and we've so disrupted them with erratic schedules with off hours sleeping. So people will stay up all night or they'll stay, they'll go to bed late one night and then go to bed early.

[00:28:05] And I don't have to show up with schedules. That's not, that's not good. So, yeah. And then you want to make sure people get good sleep or the weight management strategy, because if you don't it's really, it really can turn into a disaster for people. 

[00:28:21] Whitney: [00:28:21] Yeah, we don't want that. So I appreciate you going so into depth about all of this.

[00:28:26] And we do have some questions. One was sent to me in advance, and then I'm going to bring up Jason Rowe, bell, Monique Rhodes, and I'll open up the hand-raising for anyone that is here on clubhouse with us to ask their questions. The one that was very common that kept coming up was the best position for deep sleep and whether or not it's okay to sleep on your side.

[00:28:47] Is it better to sleep on your back? Have you researched this at all? And do you feel like there is an ideal position for sleeping and if that impacts how deep? 

[00:28:57] Dr. Hyman: [00:28:57] Yeah, I think it really depends on the person. Some people you know, do fine sleeping on their back and if you have sleep apnea, that can be a problem.

[00:29:06] Some people, we actually want them to sleep on their side. Like us, we have very cheap treatment for sleep apnea. It's called a tennis ball. A tennis ball track. Essentially you saw a tennis ball into a t-shirt and you wear the t-shirt and then you roll on your back or tennis ball bothered. So you roll back over your side.

[00:29:22]The other thing is, is the, you know, the stomach sleep being is probably not great for most people, but kind of a modified side stomach sleeper is probably the best. But if you can sleep on your back and you don't see that that's okay, too. 

[00:29:37] Whitney: [00:29:37] Fantastic. Thank you. All right. Well, we have Jason Wrobel up here to ask the next question. So take it away. 

[00:29:45] Jason Wrobel: [00:29:45] Hey Jack, Whitney, Dr. Hyman. Thanks for having me. My name is Jason Wrobel. I am a cooking channel TV host plant-based chef, and a person who personally has struggled with insomnia on and off for many, many years. So my question to you, Dr. Hyman is when it comes to our mental health specifically related to the function of our neuro-transmitters.

[00:30:08] How does. Sleep or lack thereof directly impact our mental health and our neurotransmitter function. What's the correlation between, 

[00:30:19] Dr. Hyman: [00:30:19] well, it's huge. I mean, your, your, your serotonin levels, your dopamine levels, your you know, catecholomines all, either transplanters are regulated by a complex web of your body systems and sleep disrupts those in, in dramatic ways and leads to you know, often depression, anxiety.

[00:30:41]I mean, one of the things that people don't realize is it's so much anxiety and mood disorders can derive from lack of sleep. I mean, you don't sleep, you just feel depressed and tired and shitty all day. You know, like if you get a great night's sleep, you like to take on the world. And we know, we know this from the data that sleep disruption is both a cause and a consequence of things like depression, anxiety.

[00:31:02] So I think, I think it hugely impacts our cognitive function. In addition to just sleeping, you know, when you're, there was one study I saw where they looked at sharpshooters, or like, like snipers, basically in the military. And they found that those snipers that had sleep deprivation, where they would deprive all of them have like an hour progressively every other night.

[00:31:22] So they'd get, you know, eight, they were like 99% accurate and seven, they were like 90% accurate in six hours. They were like 70% accurate and less than they were like, it was like, basically like, you know, from the vaccine was like 50% accurate. So it really dramatically impacted their performance. And often it said that if you're super private.

[00:31:43] That you should, you should. And I, and I, I can tell you driving sleep deprived that I've done it for years. When I was working in emergency, when I was younger, I almost, I remember coming home from like one shift in long residency where I literally almost drove into off the road into a railing or those coming around an exit from an, from a highway.

[00:32:00] And I was like, this is dangerous. You know, this is really dangerous. Poor sleep quality and all the things that we talked about earlier about, I think that disrupts sleep are so important for people to get a handle on, in their own lives, because you know, your life is only going to be good as your quality of sleep

[00:32:19] Whitney: [00:32:19] well said. Next up we have Monique, I'm gonna invite her up to speak. Thank you so much for that. Great question, Jason. And then after Monique anybody is welcome to raise their hands. Hi, Whitney. 

[00:32:31] Monique: [00:32:31] Thank you so much, Dr. Hyman. It's very interesting what you're talking about and it's perfect. What you've just said, because the work that I teach is I teach people how to be happier.

[00:32:43] And one of the exercises that I do with my students is to track a series of variables in their day to bring their awareness to what has the biggest impact on their happiness and overwhelmingly. What I see is the variable that has the biggest impact on their happiness is sleep, which is probably no surprise to you.

[00:33:04] But my question is this, how can my clients go one step further and become conscious of exactly which stimulants are affecting them. So you said that you found your head an issue with mercury, but the average person may well struggle to figure something like this out. So what process would you suggest for people to actually figure out what is causing them?

[00:33:27] These sleep issues. 

[00:33:30] Dr. Hyman: [00:33:30] Yeah. I mean, I think first of all, following the basic things, and I think there's a a blog I've written, I think it was like 20 tips for better sleep or something. And it goes through the basic things that you can do on your own without having to go see a doctor. And that that's a place I would start for most people.

[00:33:49] It's all the things we've talked about, you know, get rid of a lot of the you know A lot of the things that are the stimulants and the habits and create a sleep ritual and sleep hygiene, all those things, right? The things that we talked about, the regular rhythm of sleep and using your bed for sleep and romance and creating a quiet, peaceful, dark space of winning caffeine, avoiding alcohol, getting exposure to sunlight in the morning, not eating three hours before bed, not getting bigger.

[00:34:12] See at night writing all your worries down, taking a hot bath, getting massage. You can get one, the house using a hot water bottle on your stomach can help, you know, watch the medications that interfere with sleep, you know, that are stimulants. And cold medication, steroids, headache, medication, things like that, talking about using magnesium and all these things.

[00:34:31]And, and melatonin, even, you know, guided meditation, relaxation, CDs is great. I actually used binaural beats once I had back surgery and I was having trouble sleeping. So I would put on this like binaural beat thing at night and with my headphones and I just would go right to spec the sleep was really great.

[00:34:46] There's all kinds of things like that. If you're still in trouble and you're doing all those things, you know, there may be things you need to get checked for. You needed to be tested for food sensitivity, steroid problems, menopause, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue issues, heavy metals you know, various kinds of stress disorders and cognitive disorders can help affect you.

[00:35:03] So then you need to see a functional medicine practitioner and I'd encourage people to sort of try to find one. Yeah, but that's, that's what I would recommend. 

[00:35:13] Whitney: [00:35:13] Thank you. And thank you for asking that money. Great question. We have a few people in the queue. And as a reminder to anyone else listening live on clubhouse, you can feel free to raise your hand and get in line.

[00:35:24] And also as a reminder, we are recording this for the essential rise and thrive podcast. So you will be able to listen to it over again. And if you come up to speak, we just want to know that that's giving us permission for you to be on the recording. So next up we have Karena.

[00:35:44] Guest 2: [00:35:44] Hello? Can you hear 

[00:35:45] Whitney: [00:35:45] me okay? Yeah, you sound great. 

[00:35:48] Guest 2: [00:35:48] Great. Thank you. Well, my question is, you know, I've never had problems sleeping. I sleep really well, a nine even 10 hours. Like I'll sleep really well. My thing is that I always seem to have a late schedule. Like my that's like my regular rhythm or something.

[00:36:11] I don't know, but I sleep very late at night and I will wake up late in the afternoon. And as much as I want to get on an early schedule, I just can't seem to do it. And I wake up really groggy and I can't really function during the day. And like, I can sleep the same eight hours waking up early, like at seven o'clock in the morning and I can't function for some reason.

[00:36:38] And I literally had to accept jobs that are later on so that I can accommodate my sleep schedule, which is crazy. 

[00:36:48] Dr. Hyman: [00:36:48] Have you, have you, have you, have you yeah. That's, that's crazy. So what time do you go to bed and what time do you normally wake up? 

[00:36:55]Guest 2: [00:36:55] I can, I can easily go to sleep like at three o'clock in the morning and I can wake up at noon or one, 1:00 PM on a funny note, I just recently found out that I asked my mama what time I was born.

[00:37:15] And she said, I was born at one o'clock in the afternoon. And I'm like, well, that's funny. Cause I always like to wake up at one o'clock in the afternoon. So 

[00:37:24] Dr. Hyman: [00:37:24] where, yeah, that's crazy. 

[00:37:29] Guest: [00:37:29] Well, I 

[00:37:30] Dr. Hyman: [00:37:30] think that this is not an uncommon problem. I dunno what you'd meet evenings if you're doing familiar things, but the best way to do it is just to move your sleep schedule earlier and earlier so that when you stop at three, you go to sleep for two the next night and then try to do that for a few days.

[00:37:45] Wait, been at one until they sort of slowly moving your schedule. We'll see if we can get it back to court at like 11 and, and sometimes you can use melatonin to help you get sleepy, or you can use CBD to help you get sleepy to kind of reset melatonin and a good reset for your clock. So that that often would work the a half a milligram, two to three milligrams of melatonin that should help you kind of reset, but there's no magic to it.

[00:38:10] It's just looking at what are your habits that you do at night or you're drinking or eating? Are you, are you watching TV or your computer, or like, what are the habits you have that are keeping you up? And then you can kind of start to slowly shift your time clock in a different direction. 

[00:38:25] Guest 2: [00:38:25] Yeah. I'll try and 

[00:38:28] Whitney: [00:38:28] clean up.

[00:38:29] That makes you feel better. I am recovered. I am someone who recovered from that schedule and now I wake up at 6:00 AM, but for many years I used to have a very, very similar schedule as you described. And I never thought I would be an early morning person, but now I am. Phenomenal. So I can be some glimmer of hope for you.

[00:38:50] Thank you. 

[00:38:51] Guest 2: [00:38:51] Yes. All right. I mean, I'll try the middle of town and I actually haven't tried that, so thank you, 

[00:38:57] Jack: [00:38:57] Carrie. And I love that you've prioritized sleep so much. I can just imagine that the interview is declining a job because of the time.

[00:39:07] Whitney: [00:39:07] Well, thanks again. Thank you, 

[00:39:08] Guest 2: [00:39:08] Dr. Hyman. You're amazing. 

[00:39:13] Whitney: [00:39:13] All right. Well, we have four people in the queue, so I'm going to bring that up and we may have time for more. That may be all we have today, but we'll see where we're at after these next four people. Thank each of you for coming up and Corrina for asking your wonderful question.

[00:39:28] And we'll go to the next one. Now, if you would like to introduce yourself, when you come up here, give some context, we'll spend a few minutes entering your question and remember that this is being recorded and we look forward to you being part of the conversation. 

[00:39:44] Guest: [00:39:44] Well, thank you very much, Whitney. Thank you, Jack.

[00:39:47]Dr. Hyman, just wanted to ask you mentioned supplements. What do you think of Brahmi psyllium, husk and cilantro. 

[00:39:57] Dr. Hyman: [00:39:57] What, what was the first 

[00:39:58] Guest: [00:39:58] one? Brahmi the, her Brahmi B R E H M I oh, 

[00:40:05] Dr. Hyman: [00:40:05] that's a new one for 

[00:40:10] Guest: [00:40:10] her. 

[00:40:11]

[00:40:11] Dr. Hyman: [00:40:11] Yeah, I, I, I buy,

[00:40:17] is there another name before? 

[00:40:20]Guest: [00:40:20] I can't think off hand for the, okay, 

[00:40:23] Dr. Hyman: [00:40:23] well, I'm familiar with that, but psyllium psyllium husk is actually. You know, fine. It's this fiber, I don't know. I don't know. There's any particular question you have about it is great for digestive issues. Constipation, itching, a lot of water with it.

[00:40:38]It's it's, you know, it's, it can help with lowering blood sugar, cholesterol, and many other benefits. So I think it's good. Cilantro is usually a food. I had a friend who had an iron storage problem and he told me he'd do cilantro for him. Months six months and it all his iron levels come down. So it's a natural Q later.

[00:40:54]It's. I, I, I think those are both helpful things. They're not, I don't think of those as supplements though. I think of it more as like foods or, you know, fiber. 

[00:41:04] Whitney: [00:41:04] Right. Just brought me, it looks like the other name for it is go to Pola. Go through there. Oh yeah. 

[00:41:10] Dr. Hyman: [00:41:10] Oh yeah. I go to Cole. I know that I'm yeah. I was like, I don't know how I missed that one, but yeah, I know that that's, that's a, that's a one that's affects cognitive function, enhances brain and cognitive function.

[00:41:21] So I think those are all fine. I I'd be worried about the adiabatic herbs in a way, because unless, you know, the source and how they're processed, they often are containing heavy metals. And I've seen many people with heavy mental issues as a result of taking a lot already.

[00:41:43] Yeah, of course. And, and, but, you know, I think people don't realize a lot of things. Companies will put actually metal in the products in India. So there, there, there there's concerns about that, that I have, but mostly it's. Okay. 

[00:41:56] Whitney: [00:41:56] Well, thank you so much. Thank 

[00:41:58] Jason Wrobel: [00:41:58] you. 

[00:41:59] Guest: [00:41:59] Thank you. Thank you, 

[00:42:00] Jason Wrobel: [00:42:00] doctor 

[00:42:01] Guest: [00:42:01] mark. 

[00:42:03] Whitney: [00:42:03] Thanks for coming up.

[00:42:04]We're going to bring up the next question here and then we'll have two more after that and see if we have time for any more. Thank you all for, for participating in Dr. Hyman for all your fantastic answers. I'm learning so much.

[00:42:22] All right. Could you say pronounce your name? Cause I, I might mispronounce it. So the next question, if you could introduce yourself and ask the next 

[00:42:31] Guest: [00:42:31] sure, sure. Yeah. I'm Ignatius. I'm from India and yeah, thanks for this discussion. And thank you doctor. I really liked it. So I had a question specifically to towards near your gut health and, and your sleep.

[00:42:45] You know, I have noticed in myself, there seems to be a great relationship between gut health and sleep. Like I have acid reflux, and I've noticed that I've even noticed, like if I'm speaking, I've been taking PPIs for years, but I've been trying to get off them. But I've noticed if I'm taking strong PPIs, like my sleep is much better, but when I'm trying to get off of them, my sleep is much, much worse.

[00:43:08] And I've also noticed that maybe probiotics help a little sometimes, but not all the time. So I was just wondering if you could speak a little bit on gut health and sleep.

[00:43:20]Dr. Hyman: [00:43:20] That's a fantastic, fantastic question. I'm so happy. Most people have no clue that what's going on inside their gut and their microbiome. Can impact your sleep, but your microbiome actually so important because your gut and your brain are tightly connected and there's something called the gut brain axis or the second rain.

[00:43:44] And when they're imbalanced in the gut, flora, which drives inflammation, anything that drives inflammation can affect sleep. And it can also trigger inflammatory metabolites that affect the brain that it actually caused sleep disruption and effect this stress response, heart rate, sleep structure. So you know, really, really important.

[00:44:05]Serotonin is a precursor of melatonin and most of the serotonin your body has made in your gut. Oh, you're not. And you're like, I think your immune system and the sleep issues are so the, the immune system and the microbiome and the sleep connection is, is being mapped out. Definitely your, your gut plays a huge role in, in sleep.

[00:44:28] And if your guts in a healthier, you're not going to be really able to sleep really, really well. So having a more diverse gut microbiome, we call it gut microbiome. Diversity really helps sleep. And so taking probiotics and building a prebiotic and probiotic diet can really, really help. So, you know, and also conversely if you're sleep deprived it can, it can adversely affect your gut too.

[00:44:56] I mean, and I know this, like, I, I just, I mean, as a doctor who never slept I. I know that my gut would often feel that if I hadn't slept and it would have affected both ways. So good sleep and mood are so critical and they're really connecting to your overall gut health. So keeping your gut microbiome healthy and the inflammation down near a circadian rhythm of properly regulated is so, so important.

[00:45:23]And the gut microbiome imbalances can cause that if you have any reflux, I would also say that, you know, there may be reasons why you're having that and that there may be a cause of reflux. 

[00:45:35] And 

[00:45:35] I've written a lot about it, even on my website conduct time.com. And you can look at that. I've also done it on a podcast in the doctor's pharmacy.

[00:45:41] You can listen to that on, on reflux and in here out functional medicine approach. Because most of my patients, I get them off of those drugs, those drugs, while they help in the short term are hugely problematic because they shut up at some point. And we need that in order to absorb minerals, vitamins, I just protein and many, many other things.

[00:46:00] So when I was in medical school, those drugs came out and we were told by the drug reps, never used them for more than six weeks. They're highly dangerous to use later. And now people just , you know, and that's terrible. So I think, I think we really need to get people off of those. And most of my patients can come off them pretty easily by, by fixing the root causes with a functional medicine.

[00:46:25] Whitney: [00:46:25] Nice to hear that there's hope and so many solutions for this. Thank you so much for that. Great question. Next step. We have Mary and then we'll have Natalie after that and we'll probably be wrapping up at that. Mary. Thanks for coming up. What's your question. Hello. Thanks for having me 

[00:46:42] Guest: [00:46:42] up here. So I have my basis and nutrition.

[00:46:45]So I'm a nutritionist. So a lot of this fascinates me and forgive me if you already 

[00:46:49] Whitney: [00:46:49] answered this, 

[00:46:50] Guest: [00:46:50] just because I'm also working. So I was trying to listen to most of 

[00:46:53] Whitney: [00:46:53] it, but I feel 

[00:46:54] Guest: [00:46:54] like the biggest complaint that I get with my clients is like waking up at 3:00 AM. 

[00:46:59]Whitney: [00:46:59] And I 

[00:47:00] Guest: [00:47:00] know that there is like a quarter cells, like our cortisol starts 

[00:47:03] Whitney: [00:47:03] going up around that 

[00:47:04] Guest: [00:47:04] time.

[00:47:04]So I was wondering if you find that like, with your clients, like your biggest complaint is a 3m wake up and if you think it's core, like correlated with that cortisol spike and that like stress reduction might be the biggest thing, like biggest suggestion for that, or, 

[00:47:22]Whitney: [00:47:22] Yeah, I guess your thoughts around that.

[00:47:26] Dr. Hyman: [00:47:26] Yeah, I, I do think that is the most, lot of reason for people struggling with extreme a is people are tired more so they're exhausted. They go to sleep, they fall asleep and they're still on a stress response so that their body kind of kicks it back in. So I think it's super important for people to really de stress before battery, who meditation through stretches and yoga, who guided imagery through hot baths, through getting off screens, getting saw a shoe, you know, something really soothing and useful and that will often bring it on the cortisol because they, you just go, go, go, and then jumping ahead and you might see fingers Ofsted, but you won't be really functioning the way you, you want.

[00:48:13] Whitney: [00:48:13] Wonderful. Thank you so much. And thank you, Mary, for asking that. Yes. Thank you. All right. We have, I think one more question. We'll see where we're at. Time-wise we have Natalie. No pressure, Natalie, to make a great, I have a question after that. So don't worry. No, no major pressure for being the very last question.

[00:48:33] So come on up to stage and we're looking forward to hearing from you. 

[00:48:38] Guest 3: [00:48:38] I wouldn't be actually believe it or not. First of all hello to everyone. Jack Whitney and Dr. Hyman. Well I work in the TCOs field and insulin resistance basically, and I also have this particular. Person I'm helping right now.

[00:48:57] And she's having the same problem as Mary was telling the spike at 3:00 AM and she cannot sleep after that will score. She's a very stressful person. She is stressed out most of the time she controls. She wants to control everything around her. Of course, that's going to cause more stress and anxiety.

[00:49:17] And we're working on the breathing part, the reprogramming, her mind, trying to get her out of that state, of course, through foods and exercise, her body looks really fit. So I wouldn't say there's much as other things, but the stress. So is there anything Dr. Hyman that we could do besides the exercises eating well?

[00:49:42]Maybe some supplements I've heard about melatonin. She's doing all the Tony is not working yet. Apparently her cortisol level of cortisol is really, really high.

[00:49:54] Dr. Hyman: [00:49:54] Yeah, I, I think, you know, there's a lot, a lot of people work on their adrenals and that is often a place to start. And I've written a lot about it. Again, you can go to my blog. A lot of it is all free, so you can just go caiman in adrenals and you'll find it, or go to doctors, pharmacy. We've done a lot of podcasts on adrenal dysfunction.

[00:50:14] And so it's not easy to deal with that. You know, if your thyroid's off, you just take a thyroid pill or do a few things and it often gets better, but if you don't you know, like with cortisol and adrenals, they take a lot more time, a lot more energy effort. You need to really ever circadian. Reset.

[00:50:30] You need to wake up and go to sleep. At the same time, you need to have light exposure in the morning. You need to be off stimulants. You need to be off caffeine, alcohol, sugar and you need to take certain nutrients like the B complex vitamins and vitamin C and zinc and pantothenic acid. And a lot of herbs that can be very helpful, like Rhodiola and caucus.

[00:50:47] And even  a lot of other things can be very helpful. So I written a lot about that. I think just the, the idea that it's going to take work is important. People understand, but it's fixable

[00:51:02] Whitney: [00:51:02] wonderful. Again, lots of hope here, which, you know, there seems to be so many solutions here and I'm so grateful that you've covered it. And of course, in your podcast and your books, you have so many great resources on this. Mark. I, we do have one more question from the audience. Somebody messaged me the back channel, which is Jason's, I'm gonna bring.

[00:51:21] To ask one more question then I'll see if Jack has anything else he wants to address. And we'll wrap up here. Thank you everyone who has joined us today and asked wonderful questions. This has been a really informative discussion and we're thrilled to have Dr. Hyman here with us. All right. Now, Jason, you are the one with the pressure, so don't all 

[00:51:41] Jason Wrobel: [00:51:41] right.

[00:51:41] All right. I'm going to, I'm going to try and pull it through. Last year I read an article Dr. Hyman that NASA released some interesting research about naps and they found that they did some studies with their pilots where they slept for about 26 minutes and found increases in alertness by about 54% and job performance by about 34%.

[00:52:04] How do you feel about naps? Are they beneficial? Do you personally enjoy taking them and not, can they be a replacement for a good night's sleep, but how effective do you think they really can be taking 

[00:52:16] Dr. Hyman: [00:52:16] now?

[00:52:23] Whitney: [00:52:23] Dr Hyman. I think you're muted right now. 

[00:52:26]Dr. Hyman: [00:52:26] I I'm in Spain right now and I was an early before, and I you know, everything shuts down from like two to six and all the stores, everybody goes home at lunch and they go take a nap. It's part of these cultures for a long time. I do think for some people, napping can be very, very helpful.

[00:52:46] I think if you're really healthy and you feel good and you get adequate sleep at night, most people don't need a nap, but it can be a helpful tool to help reset people. I actually have found you know, I often will try and take a nap, but I really sometimes don't call asleep and that can be fine, just resting or going into this Twilight state and I'll reset me.

[00:53:09] But what I found really effective is meditation. And I do that every day. I said it's tremendously helped my sleep. And I often, if I'm, you know, had a busy time or I didn't have no sleep the night before, like I literally will go and I think I'll go into sleep. I call it napkin. I'm sitting out and fall over.

[00:53:32] I don't, I don't, I almost feel that I'm sleeping. But it's, it's another state of crashes. I like it. I, I didn't see that research from NASA and you'd definitely get, you know, a significant improvement in job performance. You know, like 54% by taking a shot shower, even closing your eyes, you don't actually have to fall right asleep.

[00:53:50]Just, just like laying there. And I, and I think I've found that really helpful to just close your eyes, lay down, you know, maybe do a guided imagery meditation. Sometimes what I'll do is like a yoga nidra. I just put like a headphone on I'll just get like on race kinds of apps or, you know, get on YouTube.

[00:54:06] Let's listen to a guidance deep, deep relaxation. Those can vary. And as effective as of yet, 

[00:54:14] Jack: [00:54:14] some teams actually have a nap rotation. So the, and they would, they would have, they would color code them from a green, yellow, red intensity of training. And they would offset their cycle with naps and basically impose the players that they had to almost get a forced nap.

[00:54:32] And obviously some of the players needed assistance with that, whether it be audio headsets and really try to get them into a different state, but they were offsetting a lot of their strenuous training with, with naps as well. So I bet I don't have the background on it to know what's about it, but I see it in, in practice and use.

[00:54:50] And, and actually I, I, before I did a triathlon years ago, right before starting, I, I took a 20 minute signs of sensory nap right before hitting the trail. I thought that was helpful. But very interesting. The Nassau data on that. 

[00:55:09] Dr. Hyman: [00:55:09] Yeah. 

[00:55:12] Whitney: [00:55:12] Thanks for that. Great question, Jason. It makes me want to take a nap sometime today, or maybe not, or maybe, you know, I try to fight off the nap so that I can sleep better at night, but it depends on the day, right?

[00:55:24] Well, yeah, I know I do. That sounds amazing. Meditation is something I strive to do more often. So another reason to make it a priority. Well, thank you Jason, for that question and thank you everyone else who has come up today to ask and Dr. Harmon, this was so wonderful. We really appreciate you spending the time here with us.

[00:55:44] For everyone here, this has been recorded and it's going to be up on essentially a brand new podcast called rise and thrive. And there's a link in both my profile and jacks. If you want to check that out, it's Maya sentia.com/podcast, and you can also get sign up to get notified about the upcoming guests that we have next week.

[00:56:05] We have a special session on indoor air quality, and I'm sure that's another element that Dr. Hyman is as passionate about in terms of setting up your room for success. So we're going to focus on that. Do you have a favorite air filter or way of purifying the air, your home? 

[00:56:23] Dr. Hyman: [00:56:23] Yeah, I've put in a whole system in my house, but also I love the air doctor, which is quite good.

[00:56:30] Whitney: [00:56:30] Okay, wonderful. And Jack, any other final words before we wrap up today? 

[00:56:35] Jack: [00:56:35] Really he wants to thank everyone and especially mark really thank you for joining us and being a part of it. Again, always been a big follower of yours and love what you do and appreciate that you really joined us here today.

[00:56:49] Dr. Hyman: [00:56:49] Yes, for sure. And of course, thanks for having me at a, such a mattress cause that, that, that honestly changed my life. What am I work? 

[00:57:00] Whitney: [00:57:00] What what's coming up new for you and what, what's the best way for someone to you know, find out what's coming down the pipeline with what you're working on

[00:57:07] Dr. Hyman: [00:57:07] I mean, you know, just, you know, they can sign up Dr.hyman.com is where my Comedy central is, I guess, and then I have my doctor's pharmacy podcast and then that's a great way to access content. Yeah. And, and keep tracking me that way. And I've got my weekly newsletters. And so the Mark's picks are great for people that want to like, see what I'm thinking about lately and the products I like or the things that I have been using. So yeah, those are, those are, those are good places to start. 

[00:57:38] Whitney: [00:57:38] Wonderful. Well, we'll be sure to link to those in the podcast show notes, which again is at my Essentia.com/podcast. Thank you again for everyone being here today, and we hope to see you next week. Same time, same place to discuss indoor air quality.